soooo whats the energy star rating on this?

i can has Detergentless Haier WasH20 Washing Machine?

so, to save the environment, all you need to do is buy ANOTHER washing machine (manufactured in a coal-powered warehouse out of mined materials, petroleum-based compounds – only to shipped across the planet on ocean polluting barge)?! yay, i doing my part to help preserve the environment!

Looks awesome, sounds awesome, can’t wait to see one in person.

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But will it blend?

This is particularly interesting – I’d love to see how it actually performs in independent tests.

Yay. I’d rather have a maid.

This has to be so cool, in fact you be able to save on pollution and perfume odours in sewage streams

Great concept, just that “oxy” cleaning no matter whether added chemically or generated within, really doesn’t ever clean as well as all of the advertising hype. In fact, I have yet to have a satisfactory experience with chemically added “oxy” cleaning agents whether directly applied or added to the total washing solution.

As for the free Hydrogen generated, product safety is a serious issue, the potential for entrapped H-gas accumulation and explosion/fire within the environment of an electrically powered appliance should be worrisome. Before bringing such an appliance into my home, I would want to see an intrinsically-safe fire-safety-rating with a mean time between failure rate of less than 1 in 100 million cycles.

I do applaud the manufacturing for trying, its at least a step in the right direction whether its perfected yet or not. I would expect that adding a low-power pulse ultrasonic transducer would make a huge difference in the cleaning effectiveness while adding relatively little to the overall cost as “off-the-shelf” ultrasonic transducers are readily available and extremely low cost.

Relatively few studies are available documenting the limitations and effectiveness of aqueous exposure to free Hydrogen ions in solution as a method of sterilization. Conversely, the effectiveness of “ozone” as a sterilization method for aqueous solutions is well known and is commonly used for large commercial aquariums such as the Baltimore Aquarium. Generating small amounts of ozone injected into an aqueous wash solution should be no challenge at all and a lot less fire and explosion risk to manage than generating free hydrogen in any quantity.

I dunno, I think I’ll wait til a price drop

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The detergentless washer I saw on Beyond Tomorrow was about 20 years ago (pre-1988). I think it was from a Japanese company and it worked on ultrasound and microbubbles. I remember them saying detergent makers were concerned about it and at least one company was trying to get the manufacturer to develop a “sweet smelling” additive to use with it. Regardless, it would be cool to see a detergentless washer come to market with an affordable price tag.

“Entertained Aug 1st, 2007 at 3:57 am

Hah! So what happens if a pocket of H+ gets together and becomes ignited somehow – with tons of OH- around to suck up the reaction?

Poof… oh crap, there go my clothes!

Yeah, I know that probably wouldn’t happen but…”

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

There are two cleaning trays. One for the Dihydrogen and the other for Oxide.

But if it doesn’t use soap/detergent then will your clothes still smell like crap when you take them out?

The fact that this thing probably works via electrolysis means its energy rating will be huge, and therefore overall probably terrible for the environment.

I’m a bit confused about how it claims to work though. Liquid water partly breaks into H+ and OH- ions as standard (anyone remember pH levels?) confuses me about how its cleaning ability will be any better than water. Are they supplying more free electrons to increase the solvent ability of water? What about organic solutes? I’d love to see any machine make water dissolve oil without additives, personally.

@Eh: I doubt that those are for “dihydrogen” and “oxide”, I hope you were joking. I’d say fabric softener & the like, or maybe just “it’s a mock-up”?

@Entertained: I suggest you either go back to or complete high school before you discuss ionic chemistry online.

Four years ago I owned a Haier washing machine and it was total JUNK, got rid of it after a year and a half. Also, no supprise its being sold in France first because the French are known to use very little soap.

H+ Ions in water have no real way to become “H2″ gas.. the stuff that burns… in a situation like this.

You would need a pretty significant chemical reaction occurring in the wash cycle, consuming the OH- Ions without affecting the H+…

H+ ions are what make what you call “Acid”. the fact that there is also equal numbers OH- ions in the water too makes the solution “neutral” in pH, but it may be pretty active chemically.

if Hydroxide ions (0H-) are truly the most important part of laundry detergent (and other things to help suspend dirt/grease/etc are not really necessary), then this would work well. If you need the other stuff in Detergent, then I don’t think this would work very well, overall.

H+ ions are not going to combust and explode. That is what H2 does. However, H+ ions are the ‘active ingredient’ in a whole lot of acids. Hydrochloric Acid is H+ ions and Cl- ions. Let’s dip our clothes in acid!

This will not work well if at all.
Someone needs a chemistry lesson in detergents and how they work.
This is just going to waste much more power, then normal washer, and give you poorly washed and possibly damaged clothes.

you dont need a chemistry degree ( which i have) to figure this out this is just some cheezy gimmick to sell junk.

Yeh. This H+ and OH- ionic crap would technically be electrolysis.

This thing won’t work. That OXY company a few years back had those detergent balls that did a similar thing with ‘ionizing’ water. CR tested them- they did nothing. You be better off buying front-load washer and using no detergent or organic detergent than thing.

Not one post about France’s aversion to soap???

Yeah, throw in a couple of those laundry disks and a few of those laundry balls and you will have DAZZLING WHITES!

I don’t know about this Haier process, but there is an add-on machine out there that allows you to keep your old washer. It’s cheaper by far than replacing the whole washing machine!!
It uses no detergent, no fabric softener, no bleach and no hot water! Very definitely environmentally-friendly!!
You can even use the discharge water to water your lawn, rather than filling up, and plugging up, your septic system or public sewer system — more environmentally-friendly news! Lots of other uses for the water!
It uses ozone, UV and silver ions (no danger of explosions here) to clean the wash, kill the germs and leave clothes smelling fresh and clean. Many years ago, when dimes were made of silver, it was common for people to toss a few dimes in the wash to help with the cleaning process.
I’ve had one for over a year and I will never use the store-bought laundry supplies again.
If you’d like more info, send an email to Julie@PDJordan.com.

what will happend with the detergent industry? colaps? =))

What a load of crap, you cant wash clothes without detergent, if youre botherd about saving the environment use Ecover instead. Ermm, Haier, a distinct sniff of China about it, probs wouldnt last a day. Dont buy one, buy a decent brand like Miele or Asko instead.

Haier and detergentless, my arse.

Holy shit number 12 is incredible!

The front load washing machines today use virtually less detergent anyway. But the cost for high efficiency detergent is a bit pricey so this machine sounds really promising. It should be able to conserve more water and energy too. It does not need too much water to rinse soap suds. You don’t need to heat water as well in order to remove deep-seated stains. I think this is worth buying if you are after efficiency in a washer.

Detergent is a big expense for my household and I hope I can get a more detailed review of this machine.