I want one. Oh I’m so ready for something like this. Its not that it’s $$$ to buy the darn detergent, it’s just that when I’m out I keep on forgetting to go to the store to pick up detergent, even if it is on the way home. I just want to “set it and forget it.”

soooo whats the energy star rating on this?

The most basic part of soap is hydroxide, but I can’t imagine how they would be able to create a washer that either wouldn’t need replacing of something every so often, even if a year, or would have to heat or use some sort of energy to charge the molecules. I’ll wait and see about this one…

i can has Detergentless Haier WasH20 Washing Machine?

I remember seeing something like this on a TV show like 10 years ago, I think the show was called Beyond tomorrow. I’m glad to finally see it coming to market.

so, to save the environment, all you need to do is buy ANOTHER washing machine (manufactured in a coal-powered warehouse out of mined materials, petroleum-based compounds – only to shipped across the planet on ocean polluting barge)?! yay, i doing my part to help preserve the environment!

OMFG Thats amazing.. … it will be mine.

Looks awesome, sounds awesome, can’t wait to see one in person.

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what will it do to my cat?

But will it blend?

amazing

This is particularly interesting – I’d love to see how it actually performs in independent tests.

wow…..interesting invention….
hope this will make a revolution in washing segment…

Yay. I’d rather have a maid.

Hah! So what happens if a pocket of H+ gets together and becomes ignited somehow – with tons of OH- around to suck up the reaction?

Poof… oh crap, there go my clothes!

Yeah, I know that probably wouldn’t happen but…

This has to be so cool, in fact you be able to save on pollution and perfume odours in sewage streams

Sounds awesome. I wonder if it works.

Great concept, just that “oxy” cleaning no matter whether added chemically or generated within, really doesn’t ever clean as well as all of the advertising hype. In fact, I have yet to have a satisfactory experience with chemically added “oxy” cleaning agents whether directly applied or added to the total washing solution.

As for the free Hydrogen generated, product safety is a serious issue, the potential for entrapped H-gas accumulation and explosion/fire within the environment of an electrically powered appliance should be worrisome. Before bringing such an appliance into my home, I would want to see an intrinsically-safe fire-safety-rating with a mean time between failure rate of less than 1 in 100 million cycles.

I do applaud the manufacturing for trying, its at least a step in the right direction whether its perfected yet or not. I would expect that adding a low-power pulse ultrasonic transducer would make a huge difference in the cleaning effectiveness while adding relatively little to the overall cost as “off-the-shelf” ultrasonic transducers are readily available and extremely low cost.

Relatively few studies are available documenting the limitations and effectiveness of aqueous exposure to free Hydrogen ions in solution as a method of sterilization. Conversely, the effectiveness of “ozone” as a sterilization method for aqueous solutions is well known and is commonly used for large commercial aquariums such as the Baltimore Aquarium. Generating small amounts of ozone injected into an aqueous wash solution should be no challenge at all and a lot less fire and explosion risk to manage than generating free hydrogen in any quantity.

Excellent! And a very reasonable price tag. Ordinarily you’d see these inventions sell for thousands of dollars placing them outside of a normal household income. I’d love to have one of these.

I dunno, I think I’ll wait til a price drop

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This is particularly interesting – I’d love to see how it actually performs in independent tests.

The detergentless washer I saw on Beyond Tomorrow was about 20 years ago (pre-1988). I think it was from a Japanese company and it worked on ultrasound and microbubbles. I remember them saying detergent makers were concerned about it and at least one company was trying to get the manufacturer to develop a “sweet smelling” additive to use with it. Regardless, it would be cool to see a detergentless washer come to market with an affordable price tag.

what happens if you put detergent in it?

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Hah! So what happens if a pocket of H+ gets together and becomes ignited somehow – with tons of OH- around to suck up the reaction?

Poof… oh crap, there go my clothes!

Yeah, I know that probably wouldn’t happen but…”

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Just a curiosity point … Why does a machine which doesn’t need detergent to perform it’s cleaning functions require (apparently) two detergent trays ??

There are two cleaning trays. One for the Dihydrogen and the other for Oxide.

Interesting. Can’t wait to see it in action.

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But if it doesn’t use soap/detergent then will your clothes still smell like crap when you take them out?

Fire, yeah right, the small amount of OH- and H+ particles needed is small. The load isn’t made of JUST OH- and H+. Its diluted into GALLONS OF WATER!@# All you need is a small trickle to clean your clothes. It’d probably be so small that not even having water in there wouldn’t mean a fire. Use common sense and don’t post articles trying to sound scientific. The product will be tested and it won’t come to market if it becomes dangerous. Stop with the doom and gloom.

The fact that this thing probably works via electrolysis means its energy rating will be huge, and therefore overall probably terrible for the environment.

I’m a bit confused about how it claims to work though. Liquid water partly breaks into H+ and OH- ions as standard (anyone remember pH levels?) confuses me about how its cleaning ability will be any better than water. Are they supplying more free electrons to increase the solvent ability of water? What about organic solutes? I’d love to see any machine make water dissolve oil without additives, personally.

@Eh: I doubt that those are for “dihydrogen” and “oxide”, I hope you were joking. I’d say fabric softener & the like, or maybe just “it’s a mock-up”?

@Entertained: I suggest you either go back to or complete high school before you discuss ionic chemistry online.

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Four years ago I owned a Haier washing machine and it was total JUNK, got rid of it after a year and a half. Also, no supprise its being sold in France first because the French are known to use very little soap.

So, what are those loading windows for?

H+ Ions in water have no real way to become “H2″ gas.. the stuff that burns… in a situation like this.

You would need a pretty significant chemical reaction occurring in the wash cycle, consuming the OH- Ions without affecting the H+…

H+ ions are what make what you call “Acid”. the fact that there is also equal numbers OH- ions in the water too makes the solution “neutral” in pH, but it may be pretty active chemically.

if Hydroxide ions (0H-) are truly the most important part of laundry detergent (and other things to help suspend dirt/grease/etc are not really necessary), then this would work well. If you need the other stuff in Detergent, then I don’t think this would work very well, overall.

This technology has been around for a long time. You can buy spheres that you put fabric softener in (because you have to have SOMETHING to make the clothes smell good) that use the same process to clean your clothes without detergent.

My experience with it was less than exciting. If you use no chemicals at all, your clothes dont smell good when they come out. If you have to go out and buy fabric softener all the time, it defeats the purpose of not using detergent.

This will -not- catch on.

H+ ions are not going to combust and explode. That is what H2 does. However, H+ ions are the ‘active ingredient’ in a whole lot of acids. Hydrochloric Acid is H+ ions and Cl- ions. Let’s dip our clothes in acid!

Hah, can make Hidrogen boom out of it by collection the H+

This will not work well if at all.
Someone needs a chemistry lesson in detergents and how they work.
This is just going to waste much more power, then normal washer, and give you poorly washed and possibly damaged clothes.

you dont need a chemistry degree ( which i have) to figure this out this is just some cheezy gimmick to sell junk.

Ahh.. the blue laundry disc is reborn! Someone please teach the new generation about “structured water.”

Yeh. This H+ and OH- ionic crap would technically be electrolysis.

This thing won’t work. That OXY company a few years back had those detergent balls that did a similar thing with ‘ionizing’ water. CR tested them- they did nothing. You be better off buying front-load washer and using no detergent or organic detergent than thing.

Marketing hype. The energy used to split a water molecule will quickly put this out of Energy Star range. Then having supremely explosive hydrogen gas around and extremely corrosive hydroxide around? Yeah, right…

Not one post about France’s aversion to soap???

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Yeah, throw in a couple of those laundry disks and a few of those laundry balls and you will have DAZZLING WHITES!

It takes a LOT of energy to electrolyze water. Imagine the cost of simply running this thing…

I don’t know about this Haier process, but there is an add-on machine out there that allows you to keep your old washer. It’s cheaper by far than replacing the whole washing machine!!
It uses no detergent, no fabric softener, no bleach and no hot water! Very definitely environmentally-friendly!!
You can even use the discharge water to water your lawn, rather than filling up, and plugging up, your septic system or public sewer system — more environmentally-friendly news! Lots of other uses for the water!
It uses ozone, UV and silver ions (no danger of explosions here) to clean the wash, kill the germs and leave clothes smelling fresh and clean. Many years ago, when dimes were made of silver, it was common for people to toss a few dimes in the wash to help with the cleaning process.
I’ve had one for over a year and I will never use the store-bought laundry supplies again.
If you’d like more info, send an email to Julie@PDJordan.com.

I have a detergentless washer right now.

I put in the laundry, and start the washing cycle without putting in detergent. It works, specially when you’re not the sweaty type.

what will happend with the detergent industry? colaps? =))

Can I buy washing machine WasH20

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What a load of crap, you cant wash clothes without detergent, if youre botherd about saving the environment use Ecover instead. Ermm, Haier, a distinct sniff of China about it, probs wouldnt last a day. Dont buy one, buy a decent brand like Miele or Asko instead.

Haier and detergentless, my arse.